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Entry for January 9, 2008 ANNEX AT WHAT COSTS?
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Loveland City Manager Don Williams presented the best possible agreement the city was able to negotiate with land owners along I-25 and 402 for ann.exation.



The Council didn't appear to like it except for the Mayor and Councilman Heckle



This time, it appears the property owners stand to receive tax dollars for the next 25 years regardless of how they develop their property, they demand certain zoning, reimbursement for expenses and much more.



We have obtained the actual agreement being proposed and posted a link to it on LovelandPolitics' main page. This particular agreement draft was first drafted December 28, by Gregory White , an attorney for the land owners .



Among the controversial provisions is the requirement that water shares worth approximately $50,000 each be purchased by the city at $70,000 each.



Critical data is missing from the draft regarding specific dollar amounts the property owners are seeking for "reimbursement" cost. The agreement also states the city will pay the property owners their costs whether the property is annexed or not.



Any comments?


2008-01-10 04:20:53 GMT
Comments (17 total)
Author:Anonymous
Thanks - I was looking to see the actual agreement

Forget any improvements in West Loveland for a longtime. Manufacturing growth in a bad economy isn't cheap and what would all the builders closely connected to Williams do if they had to pull permits in another city?
--Art
2008-01-10 04:23:38 GMT
Author:Anonymous
i don't care what it costs. my cousin lives there and i want him to be in loveland. i love his dog
--bill
2008-01-11 03:28:17 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Well as Don Williams says about himself, he has a "nack" for economic development. I guess compared to giving half the sales tax and all the property tax away to McKwhinney for 25 years this is quite a deal. At least he hasn't given all of the farm away this time, just most of it. Now that the City has trapped themselves into annexing 402 with the acquisition they have again given any negotiating leverage away and have no choice now but to give whatever terms the owner wants. Don Williams can't negotiate his way out of a McDonnalds breakfast bag. I think all of those egg Mcmuffins have finally clogged what little bit of a brain he has left.
2008-01-11 04:04:46 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Is Bill serious?

What everyone, so far, is missing is that a Loveland address is more valuable than a Johnstown address. Property owners know they subdivide and sell for more with a Loveland address rather than Johnstown address - unless they want to build a truck stop.

Simply put, the Council already lost its leverage by directing the City Manager to "match" Johnstown's offer. What they should have done is calculated the price difference on developed property here and there to show the owners how much value they loose with a Johnstown address.

The Council and Mayor completely failed to leverage the assets we have and now are facing the consequence.
--Bob
2008-01-11 10:00:58 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Well? I am waiting for Arlo Johnston's annex agreement you promised to post. If all the City Council in Loveland is like that Rousey character - watch out. I don't think he is too tightly wrapped. My cousin said Rousey told him he couldn't live in Johnstown if he owned property along the 402 (on your blog) since that wasn't yet annexed. What this goofball doesn't understand is that lots of folks who live in Johnstown own property in the COunty areas around town. In my case, my house is in the incorporated are but we have another 160 acres that are not. Just because our farm is no longer all connected doesn't mean our residence is where our land is.

Please let me know when you post it cause Arlo is saying one thing and your site something completely different. A few of us out here don't really care about all the hype but just want the facts. So please stick to facts you know instead of everything else.

Thank you for providing this impotant service since getting information from the Tribune is like pulling hen's teeth.
--Earl J.
2008-01-14 17:21:20 GMT
Author:Anonymous
The Reporter-Herald says the Council will vote on the 402 annexation issue tomorrow night and it is on their agenda. Your article says it was postponed for a decision until a special meeting on January 22.

I also learned that Councilor Klassen will host a meeting in District 1 to hear from citizens but that doesn't even happen until after January 22.

Who is correct?

--Truth Seeker
2008-01-14 18:41:42 GMT
Author:Anonymous
I watched the meeting. It is January 22 according to their last meeting
--Ben
2008-01-14 21:23:02 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Earl J. I have no idea who your cousin is but I never told anyone they could not live in Johnstown if he/they owned property on 402. They either live in the county or a city depending on where the propety is. Your cousin is right in as much as he can't be in Johnstown unless he is annexed to Johnstown...common sense.

If his property is not annexed to Johnstown or Loveland or any city then he is in the county. He cannot annex to either city unless there is some connection from his property to that city. If he is not connected somehow, then he cannot be annexed into either city.

You or your cousin can't be considered to be a resident of Johnstown unless your annexed to Johnstown. That should not be too hard to grasp.

Cities cannot force anyone to annex uless the property is completly surrounded by city property. The property owned may request annexation if there is a connection but not unless the connection is made (streets, ajoining property, etc.).
--ouch/rousey
2008-01-14 22:41:18 GMT
Author:Anonymous
OK, got the agreement but it was darn hard to find on your site. You should make really big buttons for people like me to read. Thank you - i printed both out and put them side-by-side to compare. The Loveland agreement doesn't give the government any real say in the development but they seem to anyway......
--Kay J.
2008-01-15 06:50:46 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Looks like the desicion for the annexation has been delayed until Feb. 6.
--Kyle
2008-01-16 16:18:36 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Yeah, that is what I heard. Does anyone know where and when the Councilors will be taking comments on this?

If you try to go to the meeting Mayor Pielin will rebut whatever you say. He has a certain disdain for the public that doesn't allow him to listen and he will not let you talk if he thinks your opinion has already been expressed earlier.

I won't go to be condescended to by that clown but if they do hold a Councilor only meeting my neighbors and I plan to attend.
--Another Ignorant Citizen
2008-01-17 01:53:28 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Yeah, that is what I heard. Does anyone know where and when the Councilors will be taking comments on this?

If you try to go to the meeting Mayor Pielin will rebut whatever you say. He has a certain disdain for the public that doesn't allow him to listen and he will not let you talk if he thinks your opinion has already been expressed earlier.

I won't go to be condescended to by that clown but if they do hold a Councilor only meeting my neighbors and I plan to attend.
--Another Ignorant Citizen
2008-01-17 01:53:44 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Feb. 6th (wednesday) was scheduled as a special council meeting for discussion of annexation of 402 property...along with items moved from the scheduled 12th meeting.

It will be at the normal time and place.... the council chambers at 6:30 PM.
--ouch/rousey
2008-01-17 14:06:09 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Hmm ... these city employees are trying to create a "crisis" out of the 402 corridor and therefore convince the City Council to spend beaucoup bucks in incentives and infrastructure annexing this land, then tell us citizens there's nothing left for improvements in West Loveland. Now I read on this site the City Manager has lots of developer friends who stand to benefit from these types of incentive agreements. Aren't some of the councilors developers too? Sounds like someone is being used.

They told us we needed to give away the farm to the tune of $300 million or whatnot to McWhinney Enterprises. We did that. Now they're saying 402 is a crisis, as if any of us would drive out to 402 to shop. Is this what we pay taxes (and their salaries) for?

If we need to aquire land somewhere along 402, let's create an open space/ag buffer like we have with Fort Collins, to benefit the community.

I read in the paper today they'll spend $3.7 million of taxpayer money to pump sewage uphill to the Loveland plant. What was it they say about water flowing uphill to money? I guess in Loveland its something else that flows uphill.

I wonder how our new councillors will view this.
--Fed Up Citizen/Taxpayer
2008-01-21 00:32:51 GMT
Author:Anonymous
You should be fed up. I was a city employee untill I got fed up with the Council's and manager's BS. This agreement is another bad deal for Loveland Citizens. There is no financial benefit analysis supporting this move and it is being done purely to feed Peilin's and Don William's egos. The idea of the City serving this with sewer is rediculous as is the entire annexation proposal which is very tenuous from a technical standpoint and should be rightly challenged.
2008-01-25 17:00:17 GMT
Author:Anonymous
I wonder if the City will try to give/sell the land to McWhinney Enterprises or others and create an "Urban Renewal Area" which will divert our tax revenue to helping develop this property. Let's keep a watch out for this.
--Watching out
2008-02-03 21:56:58 GMT
Author:Anonymous
Good point. Is anyone attending the Wednesday hearing on the 401 acquisition?
--Walt
2008-02-04 11:34:40 GMT
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